Category: Advanced Stuff ¤ Author: Line Farr ¤ Title: Using Sniffing as a Reinforcer ¤ Kathy wrote: "Unfortunately, this also gives Banner free rein to wander and sniff. At the beginning of a session, we'll C/T a few times for sit, but he quickly loses interest and wanders off to sniff. So there I stand, clicker and treats in hand while my dog wanders the yard. Eventually, he'll wander back to me, maybe he'll do something I can click, then he's off again. Banner doesn't see them as being anywhere near as interesting as whatever it is that he wants to sniff. I read the posts about using sniffing as a "treat", but I *don't* want to encourage this behavior. It's not something that's desireable in the obedience ring. And heck, it's just plain annoying." Hi Kathy, I have a sniff crazy dog too (pharaoh hounds hunt by sight AND scent very handily)and goofy though it sounds C/Ting sniffing has really helped. And I had some very humiliating moments in obedience class before I started this effort. Sit and down stays became something he didn't like (even if all I did was gently 'fix' his position; I hope I'm through that phase now...)and neither did I. Especially when the border terrier, the scottie and the samoyed were all doing beautifully! I do use getting to sniff as the reward for not pulling on leash, giving me some behaviors (like sitting at heel, walking on a loose leash, sits, eye contact, etc.) - as in C/Sniff but I saw even bigger results when I began clicking the sniff. I have done it both on and off lead. When he first figured out I was clicking the sniff the expression on his face was priceless and I hope his neck didn't hurt too much from the double take he did. And yes, he started to sniff more - at first. Just like when the kids first have free rein on the Halloween candy. But the more I C/T'ed the sniffing, the more times he picked up his head FROM sniffing to get the treat. Soon I was able to work in some Leave Its (he already knew that but certainly wouldn't have responded if I'd just started out with it). Then I was able to get a Leave It (or a Watch, (also already known elsewhere) and give him either a C/T or a C/Sniff. I have even started to put sniffing on cue (though it needs work). The results? There is very little sniffing when we are working, at home and at class (and it's still decreasing), both on and off lead. The behavior isn't gone (he's a dog and it's integral to his hound being,)but it's under far better control than when I glared, pulled his head up or otherwise forced him away from the nose to earth stance. And he isn't resisting and turning off - he's into working. I think there are several things going on here. Jump in more experienced behavior folks, please. I'm making sure he does get sniffing time (like satisfying beardie barking?). So it's not a frustrated need that crops up the minute the opportunity arises. I do have to go back to kindergarten in new exciting places, but that's true of any as yet ungeneralized behavior. When doing C/T outdoors I started with the behavior he was offering (with leash pulling and sniffing to choose from there was NO contest) and got his attention by reinforcing that. Once he was sucked into the game I could find or elicit other things to reinforce. Then I was able to bring in lots of "kitchen trained" behaviors and it was a revelation to him that gee, they worked for C/T outdoors too! While I was clicking and treating sniffing continually I was reinforcing it on a fixed schedule with a high rate of frequency - and that's the coke machine schedule of reinforcement. You can get the goodie whenever you want and you become much more blase about getting it. I can't give the technical explanation, but this causes the behavior to WEAKEN. Just like getting to do it only occasionally (the slot machine schedule of reinforcement) causes it to strengthen. And when sniffing success on the variable (slot machine) schedule of reinforcement comes from ignoring Mom - guess what's getting reinforced big time? At a recent Gary Wilkes seminar in New Hampshire he suggested to a woman with a problem barker that she C/T every single bark to reduce the frequency BEFORE using P+ (if needed at all) to get rid of the residue (hope I got that right Gary). Now that I'm not forcing him to quit he's doing it on his own and learning self control at the same time. Even though what I've done sounds like I'm encouraging sniffing, the end result has been less sniffing. The behavior I'm seeing is the litmus test and I'm happy with what is in front of my eyes. Maybe this is the people version of Shirley's doggie zen for treats (to get the treat you have to give up the treat): to get the attention you have to give up the attention! Hope this makes you more comfortable with the idea. Line Farr lfarr@dynanet.com