Category: Common Problems ¤ Author: Gail Fisher ¤ Title: Possessiveness ¤ >>>Also -- ahem, I have a 7 month old neutered male English Springer Spaniel >who has had some possessive aggression problems since the age of about four >and a half months. (At age 14 weeks he was hanged by the choke collar by a >horrible trainer to whom we never returned. But we are sure this has cuased >a lot of Schiller's problems.) I am working in private sessions with a >trainer who knows clicker training very well, and uses it; with my Schiller >("harder thana your average dog" to train) she does resort to some more >negative reinforcement . Schiller's obnoxiousness is at an all-time high >these days, and while I know it's a bad age...I'm wondering, does the >possessive agression thing get better as the dog matures and calms down? >does anyone have any ideas for working on this specific problem? <<< Not only do I have suggestions, I've lived this scene. I adopted my Springer (whom we fondly call the Springer from Hell) at 4 years with similar problems, and a much longer (and worse) reinforcement history. This was looong before I found clicker training (Hobbes is now 12), but I can tell you that you MUST stop using any negatives for the aggressive behavior. Not only will negatives not help, they are totally counterproductive. It has been my experience that many Springers have two temperament characteristics that exascerbate problems such as you're having -- they have a hair trigger response to perceived threats and they are unforgiving. They do not react to punishment (or perceived threats) like other sporting dogs. Here's my story and how we "fixed" his behavior. Hobbes came to me for boarding-training -- shipped to New England from California. When he went home, his owners tried but then decided they couldn't live with the management plan I had drawn up for them, so they gave him to me (the only other choice was euthanasia -- and Hobbes and I had bonded during training, so I couldn't let that happen). Part of Hobbes' history was that he had been punished for having things he shouldn't have, and for giving them up, so his guarding objects got progressively worse and worse over the years. My original training with him as a client, and then continuing as my own dog, had to come from a place of trust. Hobbes believed he was in trouble for having something. I had to convince him that he wasn't. No matter what the object, and no matter how long it took for him to drop it, I could never resort to any negatives -- not even a stern voice, or he would instantaneously revert to Dog From Hell (we're talking SERIOUS aggression -- damaging biting). The actual mechanics of teaching him to trust enough to voluntarily give things to me went as follows: 1) Teach "give" as a positive with any and every available object. Hobbes loves balls, so we did lots of retrieving. Clicker training this part would be great -- although I did this pre-clicking. 2) Teach him that there's something in it for him to give something up. I call it an "exchange" -- others call it a bribe. I don't care what you call it. "I have this wonderful piece of steak, and you have that stinky sock. Want to trade?" At first, I couldn't touch him during the exchange. Any attempt to handle him physically would result in escallation of aggression. It was critical to keep my voice and facial expression neutral -- even pleasant. 3) Touch his collar (buckle collar) while making the exchange in (2). 4) Eliminate the visual aspect of the exchange. No food in sight, hold his collar in one hand, and grasp a piece of the object (even the tiniest corner of a dirty Kleenex) say "give" and wait. The waiting sometimes seemed interminable -- but this is a breakthrough step. Hobbes learned that I was patient, and that there was no negative consequence for him. Eventually, you'll see the characteristic jaw trembling that preceeds relaxing his grip. At that point, I'd verbally encourage him, and when he ultimately gave it up -- JACKPOT!!!! The waiting time frame lessens with each positive repetition for him. Simultaneously with this training, positive obedience training -- especially come, down & stay are really important. Also, crating the dog when you're not able to supervise. One funny story -- my office used to be at home and I had an assistant/secretary working there with me. Even though I can take things from Hobbes, I don't trust that his trust extends to others, so I instruct EVERYONE not to try to take anything from him. I told my assistant, Dorsett, that if he got something he shouldn't have, go into the kennel, get a piece of liver, and make an exchange. It took him about three repetitions to train Dorsett. I came home one day and Dorsett said that the minute I had left, Hobbes had run upstairs to the bedroom, grabbed a sock, and came down to her office. He trotted in, pausing long enough to be sure she saw him, and then ran into the kennel, put his front feet on the counter and stared at the liver treats. (Springers are bright, too). I hope this helps. Good luck with Schiller. If you need further clarification or advice, please feel free to e-mail me privately if you wish. Gail Gail Fisher The All Dogs Gym Manchester, NH 03103 (603) 669-4644 gail@alldogsgym.com