Category: Common Problems ¤ Author: Victoria Farrington ¤ Title: Leadership ¤ Gee, I get to agree with Gary! (not that I don't usually but I don't usually make a stink about it, just nod my head) Every time this relationship/leadership business comes up as if it's incompatible with clicker training, I go almost bug eyed in confusion. Okay, if every time my dog plunked his rear down, I stopped what I was doing and rushed over to give him half a chicken, he'd probably think he was controlling me. He might even think he was running the show if every time I said sit and he plunked his butt, he got a treat. Or if every time he stood in front of the door, I ran over and let him out. But none of this works that way, does it? First you catch your dog plunking his butt down and you c/t. Personally I don't think dogs think anything but I'm going to pretend they think COOL! so they sit again. But that isin't the end of it, right? If you're trying to teach them to sit for 2 mins. or 2 hours, they have to keep working a little harder. Or you ask for twofers or threefers so they find out just the butt business isn't enough and may have to be repeated. Then you put it under stimulus control so they can butt plunk right and left and it doesn't mean a thing if you haven't asked for a butt plunk. THEN, you put it on a VSR so sometimes they butt plunk and you say thank you and smile, or you ask for another behavior or maybe you reach way down in your pocket and pull out an old weiner that's gone through the wash. So now you have a dog who butt plunks when you request a butt plunk, where you request a butt plunk and sometimes he doesn't get one stinking thing for it. And he keeps doing it. My dogs don't stare at the clicker. They don't stare at the fridge when they're hungry or the door when they want to go out. They look at me. They're perfectly clear on what's happening. The click may be the sound that tells them when they're right but I"m the one who DECIDES when they're right and then I decide what they get. If that isn't control I don't know what is. And, wow, they just think I'm cooler and cooler and even when they're a wee bit naughty and I refuse to acknowledge their existence or run out of the room, they come after me resigned to it--okay, what about this? What if I lie down and shut up? Then can I go out? (Can I, can I can I...okay, they're still terriers.) So over and over again, your dog learns that you approve or withhold your approval of its behavior. So then something comes along like a dog looking for a fight, you tell your dog, Come here. Does he stop and think--oh right, says who? He may very well just come. Not because you've punished him for not coming but because he's CONDITIONED to respond to your lovely melodious voice. He really ought not to think at all, just whirl around toward you because you've been through this routine a few million times. I say come, you turn on a dime. And at some point, it shouldn't matter any more if there's a bully looking for fight your dog would dearly love to give him or if there's prime rib on the ground. I mean, this is about conditioning right? Not the value of sliced turkey franks. As for dominant/submissive/leadership things, I know plenty of sweet submissive dogs utterly clear about who's the boss in the house and they still whine to go out, jump on their owners, nudge people under the table during dinner, threaten the mailman and run away when they're being called. And I know one little bossy boots dog who now does pretty much everything he's cued to do, including sitting behind me when a bully dog greets us at the mailbox looking for a fight. I'd say you trusting your dog and your dog trusting you is a relationship. Geez, was I on a soapbox? I feel kind of heated and sweaty...All because I met this really nice woman about 8 mos ago. SHe'd put a CD on a bulldog, which is nothing to sniff at. But the bulldog wouldn't retrieve. She was told to lift his lip, insert DB and praise him. The bulldog didn't care for this and he growled. Not anything passionate, just cut that out kind of growl. Her obed instructor told her this was a dangerous sign of dominance and so for about 8 weeks, she alpha rolled him, she ignored him when he wanted a head rub, she did this and she did that. She felt bad about it sometimes, like when she was kicking him out of his favorite corner to sleep, but he took it well and it didn't cause any harm. BUT he still growled when she lifted his lip and inserted DB. Then she caught onto clicker training, it went like a breeze once she left his poor lip alone. And the reason this woman was talking to me with tears in her eyes? (She'd seen me with a clicker in a park.) SHe had kids, another dog, a cat. She was terrified about that dominance business. Yes, he did retrieve but was she harboring a dangerous animal? The little beast was about 6 years old. One of my dogs cuffed him and he showed no more than a sort of quizzical distaste. Really. WHo makes people feel this way about dogs they love? Victoria Farrington