Category: Common Problems ¤
  Author: Robert Loftus with response by Marian Bailey ¤
   Title: Punishment Begets Fear ¤

>>Message Sent by: "Robert Bailey" <behavior@hsnp.com>

Thanks for re-emphasizing what I only hinted at in my post, and I feel very
strongly about, namely, the use of PPs and CPs in controlling behavior. 
And I agree that if you have the COME behavior, or LEAVE IT under tight
stimulus control, you should not need to resort to punishment.  One of the
strongest effects of punishment is fear, and as real worriers can testify,
conditioned fear is sometimes worse than the real article on the spot. --
Marian Bailey 

> >>Message Sent by: "Robert Loftus" <rloftus@tpgi.com.au>
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This has been a very interesting thread which I have tried
> to keep up with as my 'inbox' filled up with e-mail, I would
> like to add my $0.02 worth, but first thanks to Marian and
> Deb for their recent excellent posts on this topic.
> The basis of the discussion so far has been mainly on the
> dog not coming when the command or cue "come" is given,
> this then assumes that the "behaviour of coming" is being
> disobeyed by the dog, so out come the CP's and +P's.
> 
> The use of CP's and +P's, unlike the "leave it" exercise, would
> also introduce and/or increase a state 'fear' which most certainly
> in my situation in the park this afternoon would have ended with
> a visit to the vet.
> 
> Have fun,(+R)
> 
> Robert Loftus
> rloftus@tpgi.com.au
> Sydney
> Australia  
>