Category: Advanced Stuff ¤ Author: Karen Pryor ¤ Title: When To Click With No Treat ¤ Guess I'll chip in on the clicks-and-no-treats question, because it bothers people so much. Like anything else, it's only a problem if you make it one. Treating without clicking will get you in trouble by turning your dog into a food seeker instead of a click-attender, if you do it all the time; but we've all done it by accident, or for convenience, once in a while. Clicking without treating, if you do it a LOT and try to make the click something that works "instead" of food, will also get you in trouble eventually, because the click will lose its reinforcing ability. And yet, we're probably all going to do it from time to time, for convenience, or to help an animal along while still extending the requirements (two behaviors, say, instead of one.) And, as was pointed out by Helix I think, you can follow your click with a cue, instead of a treat, and that will be just as reinforcing, once the dog gets used to it. Being somewhat of a purist, I suppose, I like to establish the concept of an intermittent schedule, by going from a 1 behavior, 1 click, 1 treat, to tossing in some episodes of 2 behaviors, 1 click, 1 treat. But a very inexperienced or resistant animal may not be ready even for this mild an escalation. On "Clicker Magic" you can see me trying to raise criteria with that yellow Lab, Gusto, by going from 1:1 to 2:1, and losing him at once; so I backed up and gave him clicks without treats alternately with clicks with treats, a few times. It was just enough to reassure him; and then we suddenly began getting two, three, four touches or follows of the target stick in a row, with the click and treat only for the last one. At that point I could now raise criteria easily and move right along. In that case, Gusto needed help across this bridge; Corally's horse might have also welcomed the "explanation" aspect of a treatless click. So, it's not do you or don't you; it's if. For me, if I decide to use extra clicks in a transition, as with Gusto, I want to get rid of the extra clicks ASAP so I can be clearer about which operant topography I am actually marking, and which I am no longer interested in. So I need to be able to get the animal working through unclicked responses, with confidence, in order to use my clicker effectively to communicate where we're going next. Does that help? KP